YAWS (Yet another Weather Site) is accessible from
WAP phones: http://activitae.com/wap
PDA/Smartphones: http://activitae.com/pda
Read about it: http://activitae.com/yaws

At the risk of appearing to spam, kindly allow me to re-publicise this
free site, bereft of both adverts and pop-ups, to help aviation data
remain free to GA users. The data currently derives from the US National
Weather Service. But some also comes form the US Air Force in Europe.

Whilst aviation weather data is universal some aspects of the site tend
to be a bit Europe centric, I'll admit, but I would be happy if others
found the site useful too! Currently, there are users around the world
including a number from .af.mil domains!

Angela

Hi everybody.

I just want to apologize for being a horses-ass on this newsgroup and
promise not to repeat my childish antics in the future. (Hopefully I can
keep this promise.)

I have been experiencing some personal problems and and took it out on the
newsgroup.

One of the reasons I have been so petulant is that I washed out of basic
flight training due to my poor piloting skills.

Skylune

LOL at the impostor. Some people just can't stand to hear criticism.

These are probably the same pilots ruining it for the majority.

Skylune wrote:
>
> I just want to apologize for being a horses-ass on this newsgroup and
> promise not to repeat my childish antics in the future.

Amazing. Certainly accepted on my part.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

LOL: George Patterson wrote:

Skylune wrote:
>
> I just want to apologize for being a horses-ass on this newsgroup and
> promise not to repeat my childish antics in the future.



Amazing. Certainly accepted on my part.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.


LOL. Of course you realize that no apology was offered from the real
Skylune. Nothing to apologize for. I am an American, and can express my
opinions, just like you can.

Of course, unlike some of the Whackos in the group, I have not ever made
personal threats, have not threatened to break laws, and will never do so.
There are legal, political methods to rein in the abuses of certain GA
pilots. Sad that your industry will not police its own.....

The people in this group who make threats and brag about how easy it is to
violate FARs are psychos: scary how easily virtually anyone can get
his/her ticket. This newsgroup, I-Pilot, and others that I monitor
acknowledge that there are arrogant, marginally skilled, and some very
stupid pilots. And thats pilots talking about other pilots. The topic
covering the stupid pilot antics at Oshkosh is a good example.

So, goodbye for now. I'm going to the Docket management system to
encourage an expansion of ADIZs to cover areas that I live in, near NYC
and Boston. There are also some EPA fuel handling violations at one of
the local airports near my summer home. I'll be giving the EPA's
northeast center a call so they can check it out. And, hopefully, fuel
prices will really sky-rocket to keep economic pressure on the industry.
Good luck.

Is this guy psychotic or schizophrenic? One minute he's saying one thing and
something else the next.

Weird.


"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> LOL: George Patterson wrote:
>
> Skylune wrote:
>>
>> I just want to apologize for being a horses-ass on this newsgroup and
>> promise not to repeat my childish antics in the future.
>
>
>
> Amazing. Certainly accepted on my part.
>
> George Patterson
> Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
> use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.
>
>
> LOL. Of course you realize that no apology was offered from the real
> Skylune. Nothing to apologize for. I am an American, and can express my
> opinions, just like you can.
>
> Of course, unlike some of the Whackos in the group, I have not ever made
> personal threats, have not threatened to break laws, and will never do so.
> There are legal, political methods to rein in the abuses of certain GA
> pilots. Sad that your industry will not police its own.....
>
> The people in this group who make threats and brag about how easy it is to
> violate FARs are psychos: scary how easily virtually anyone can get
> his/her ticket. This newsgroup, I-Pilot, and others that I monitor
> acknowledge that there are arrogant, marginally skilled, and some very
> stupid pilots. And thats pilots talking about other pilots. The topic
> covering the stupid pilot antics at Oshkosh is a good example.
>
> So, goodbye for now. I'm going to the Docket management system to
> encourage an expansion of ADIZs to cover areas that I live in, near NYC
> and Boston. There are also some EPA fuel handling violations at one of
> the local airports near my summer home. I'll be giving the EPA's
> northeast center a call so they can check it out. And, hopefully, fuel
> prices will really sky-rocket to keep economic pressure on the industry.
> Good luck.
>
>

"Terry Briggs" > wrote in message
...
> Is this guy psychotic or schizophrenic? One minute he's saying one thing
> and something else the next.

Look at the message headers. They are clearly from different origins.
Almost certainly the apology was a hoax.

I'd look at the poster IP data in the header to see if I could match it up
to any other newsgroup regular (out of curiosity...I wouldn't report them
for the fraudulent use of Usenet, not in this case :) ), but Google Groups
doesn't show that part of the header, and for some odd reason posts from
" aren't being downloaded or stored by my news
reader. :)

Pete

"Terry Briggs" > wrote in message
...
> Is this guy psychotic or schizophrenic? One minute he's saying one thing
> and something else the next.

Huh? The "apology" was an obvious, underhanded forgery in retaliation for
his expressing unpopular ideas, and he immediately identified it as such.

--Gary

Thanks! I had used this sometime ago but didn't bookmark it on my Treo.
I just added it, used it a bit, and will be using it in the future for
TAFs and METARs. Fills my need perfectly and the price is right.
Thanks much.

wrote:
> YAWS (Yet another Weather Site) is accessible from
> WAP phones: http://activitae.com/wap
> PDA/Smartphones: http://activitae.com/pda
> Read about it: http://activitae.com/yaws
>
> At the risk of appearing to spam, kindly allow me to re-publicise this
> free site, bereft of both adverts and pop-ups, to help aviation data
> remain free to GA users. The data currently derives from the US National
> Weather Service. But some also comes form the US Air Force in Europe.
>
> Whilst aviation weather data is universal some aspects of the site tend
> to be a bit Europe centric, I'll admit, but I would be happy if others
> found the site useful too! Currently, there are users around the world
> including a number from .af.mil domains!
>
> Angela

Yeah, I see what you mean.

What's this guy done to generate such animosity?


"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Terry Briggs" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Is this guy psychotic or schizophrenic? One minute he's saying one thing
>> and something else the next.
>
> Look at the message headers. They are clearly from different origins.
> Almost certainly the apology was a hoax.
>
> I'd look at the poster IP data in the header to see if I could match it up
> to any other newsgroup regular (out of curiosity...I wouldn't report them
> for the fraudulent use of Usenet, not in this case :) ), but Google Groups
> doesn't show that part of the header, and for some odd reason posts from
> " aren't being downloaded or stored by my news
> reader. :)
>
> Pete
>

Peter Duniho wrote:

> Look at the message headers. They are clearly from different origins.
> Almost certainly the apology was a hoax.

Talkabout uses Supernews, the other came directly from Supernews. Its
not unforseeable someone has access to either or both...

Since both hide the origin IP, claiming or disclaiming proves nothing...

"Terry Briggs" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, I see what you mean.
>
> What's this guy done to generate such animosity?

What's he done lately? I wouldn't know.

Google Groups will show you all of his posts, if you're really interested.

In article
utaviation.com>,
"Skylune" > wet the bed, grabbed an ear of
corn and oinked:

> LOL: George Patterson wrote:
>
> Skylune wrote:
> >
> > I just want to apologize for being a horses-ass on this newsgroup and
> > promise not to repeat my childish antics in the future.
>
>
>
> Amazing. Certainly accepted on my part.
>
> George Patterson
> Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
> use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.
>
>
> LOL. Of course you realize that no apology was offered from the real
> Skylune. Nothing to apologize for. I am an American, and can express my
> opinions, just like you can.

He is STILL a horse's ass and intends to be one in the future!


> Of course, unlike some of the Whackos in the group, I have not ever made
> personal threats, have not threatened to break laws, and will never do so.
> There are legal, political methods to rein in the abuses of certain GA
> pilots. Sad that your industry will not police its own.....
>
> The people in this group who make threats and brag about how easy it is to
> violate FARs are psychos: scary how easily virtually anyone can get
> his/her ticket. This newsgroup, I-Pilot, and others that I monitor
> acknowledge that there are arrogant, marginally skilled, and some very
> stupid pilots. And thats pilots talking about other pilots. The topic
> covering the stupid pilot antics at Oshkosh is a good example.

Sounds like a case of the pot calling the kettle black. All that coming
from a GA washout.


> So, goodbye for now. I'm going to the Docket management system to
> encourage an expansion of ADIZs to cover areas that I live in, near NYC
> and Boston. There are also some EPA fuel handling violations at one of
> the local airports near my summer home. I'll be giving the EPA's
> northeast center a call so they can check it out. And, hopefully, fuel
> prices will really sky-rocket to keep economic pressure on the industry.
> Good luck.


I hope that EPA pays "Skylune" a visit and audits HIS procedures!

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:42:35 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
> wrote in
>::

>I'd look at the poster IP data in the header

Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain how Outlook and Outlook
Express users can view the message header fields.

Do you mean it still could be him? Doing both posts?


"Darrel Toepfer" > wrote in message
...
> Peter Duniho wrote:
>
>> Look at the message headers. They are clearly from different origins.
>> Almost certainly the apology was a hoax.
>
> Talkabout uses Supernews, the other came directly from Supernews. Its not
> unforseeable someone has access to either or both...
>
> Since both hide the origin IP, claiming or disclaiming proves nothing...

Terry Briggs wrote:

> Do you mean it still could be him? Doing both posts?

If I'm not mistaken, signing up for TALKanything is slightly more
troublesome than Google Groups. They don't give a rats patoot about TOS
(Terms of Service) AUPs (Acceptable Use Policy) or Usenet Newsgroup
Charters either. ie. you can get away with just about anything you want
to do/say in a newsgroup, as they don't respond to complaints about
their users... Google at least shows the originating IP address...

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>>I'd look at the poster IP data in the header
>
> Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain how Outlook and Outlook
> Express users can view the message header fields.

Haven't read news in Outlook. In Outlook Express, it's simply a matter of
choosing the "File/Properties..." menu item while the message is selected,
and then looking at the "Details" tab in that dialog.

For Outlook, you might have to use the "View/Options..." menu item instead;
that's where you'd find message headers for email messages anyway.

Interestingly, your NNTP-Posting-Host field has been obfuscated. Mine no
longer exists, nor do some other folks. It might be that Google isn't
stripping out the field, but rather Supernews is. Presumably they have some
other way of tracking the user; probably by the message ID.

I haven't looked for an IP address in a Usenet post in a long time. It
appears that over the past X years, there's been a shift in how those fields
are created. In particular, it appears to be very difficult to tell one
Supernews user from another, which is a shame since Supernews provides
Usenet NNTP service to a VERY large number of ISPs (including my own).

Pete

Terry Briggs wrote:
>
> What's this guy done to generate such animosity?

Imagine the feelings posters in rec.hunting would have to a PETA organizer
spouting off in their group.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:xyNIe.72$lK2.42@trndny01...
> Terry Briggs wrote:
>>
>> What's this guy done to generate such animosity?
>
> Imagine the feelings posters in rec.hunting would have to a PETA organizer
> spouting off in their group.

Yes, but "spouting off" to people of opposing viewpoints is a crucial
element of democracy, however unwelcome it is to those opponents.

--Gary

> Yes, but "spouting off" to people of opposing viewpoints is a crucial
> element of democracy, however unwelcome it is to those opponents.

No it isn't. Intellegent discourse is the crucial element, as is the
=freedom= to engage in it (which brings with it the freedom to spout off).

Important difference.

Jose
--
Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe,
except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:42:35 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
> > wrote in
> >::
>
>>I'd look at the poster IP data in the header
>
> Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain how Outlook and Outlook
> Express users can view the message header fields.
>
>

Outlook Express, Outlook for some reason I've never been able to understand
has no news reader.


In the quick view window...
Right click the message subject. Select properties and then details tab.

If you read it in a window by itself properties is under the file menu.

"Jose" > wrote in message
...
>> Yes, but "spouting off" to people of opposing viewpoints is a crucial
>> element of democracy, however unwelcome it is to those opponents.
>
> No it isn't. Intellegent discourse is the crucial element, as is the
> =freedom= to engage in it (which brings with it the freedom to spout off).
>
> Important difference.

True, but the target group's assessment of the merits of a protester's
discourse is seldom flattering, or reliable. I've seen only a subset of
Skylune's posts, but among those, the level of logical coherency and factual
support strikes me as average or above for political discussions here, and
the level of personal abrasiveness likewise seems no worse than average. I
don't think it harms us to be exposed to occasional dissent of that sort.

--Gary

I may be getting the drift. Like, as far as we know, this guy could be
annoying his neighbors with his jet-ski, or snow-mobile, or dirt-bike, but
he ignores the fun things he does that lower the quality of life for beings
around him and focuses on the folks who fly?

Might he be a closet hypocrite?

Terry

"George Patterson" > wrote in message
news:xyNIe.72$lK2.42@trndny01...
> Terry Briggs wrote:
>>
>> What's this guy done to generate such animosity?
>
> Imagine the feelings posters in rec.hunting would have to a PETA organizer
> spouting off in their group.
>
> George Patterson
> Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
> use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

In article >,
"Gary Drescher" > wrote:

> "George Patterson" > wrote in message
> news:xyNIe.72$lK2.42@trndny01...
> > Terry Briggs wrote:
> >>
> >> What's this guy done to generate such animosity?
> >
> > Imagine the feelings posters in rec.hunting would have to a PETA organizer
> > spouting off in their group.
>
> Yes, but "spouting off" to people of opposing viewpoints is a crucial
> element of democracy, however unwelcome it is to those opponents.
>
> --Gary


The problem is that "Skylune" is a washout, with about 16 hours of
flight time. He acts as if he is an authority and comes across as the
proverbial turd in the punchbowl.

He has no constructive ideas and states that his mission is to make it
as hard on GA pilots as possible. IMHO, that is about like Osama Bin
Laden posting on a US political NG.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:23:45 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
> wrote in
>::

>I don't think it harms us to be exposed to occasional dissent of that sort.

Right. Quite the contrary actually.

Who was it that said, "keep your friends close, and your enemies
closer."?

Worst case, 'loon will sensitize airman to the views of non airman.
In fact, his Usenet persona may be a sock-puppet created just for that
purpose.

Josef Stalin.


Jim


> Who was it that said, "keep your friends close, and your enemies
> closer."?

>> Who was it that said, "keep your friends close, and your enemies
>> closer."?
>

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:22:54 -0700, "RST Engineering"
> wrote in
>::

>Josef Stalin.
>
>
>Jim


BZZzzzT! Wrong, but thanks for playing. :-)


“To know your enemy, you must become your enemy.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”
~ Sun Tzu, Chinese general and philosopher, circa 500 B.C.E.

Gary Drescher wrote:
>
> Yes, but "spouting off" to people of opposing viewpoints is a crucial
> element of democracy, however unwelcome it is to those opponents.

Be that as it may, hostile actions evoke anger and hostility in return. That's
where the animosity comes from.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Terry Briggs wrote:
> I may be getting the drift. Like, as far as we know, this guy could be
> annoying his neighbors with his jet-ski, or snow-mobile, or dirt-bike, but
> he ignores the fun things he does that lower the quality of life for beings
> around him and focuses on the folks who fly?
>
> Might he be a closet hypocrite?

There's no indication of that, and it's probably irrelevant. What he *has* done
is state repeatedly that what we are doing is entirely to dangerous for
amateurs, we should not be allowed to do it, and he is going to do everything he
possibly can to make sure that we are stopped. He also expresses delight in any
general problem we may have.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

In article >,
"RST Engineering" > wrote:

> Josef Stalin.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
> > Who was it that said, "keep your friends close, and your enemies
> > closer."?

Sun Tszu.

Something attributed to Sun Tzu that was never spoken by him. I wish
people would stop perpetuating that absurd saying.